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A country could transition from the colonial to the neocolonial. Neocolonialism is a system in which a country could sing a national anthem, raise a national flag, and still have its economy and politics and even culture controlled from the outside. Imperialism has a colonial and neocolonial phase. The struggle for independence freed us from the colonial phase. We had independence but not necessarily national liberation and social revolution. We may not have put it in those exact terms, but they sum up the shared ideological perimeters that bound us and our talks.