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My conversation with Brockman and Sutskever continued on in circles until we ran out the clock after forty-five minutes. I tried with little success to get more concrete details on what exactly they were trying to build—which by nature, they explained, they couldn’t know—and why then, if they couldn’t know, they were so confident it would be beneficial.

At one point, I tried a different approach, asking them instead to give examples of the downsides of the technology. This was a pillar of OpenAI’s founding mythology: The lab had to build good AGI before someone else built a bad one.